Instead of commenting on the very interesting post by mindframes on Democracy, i just thought it might be better for me to pen my thoughts as a blog.
@ Mindframes: An interesting point that you have brought into focus from your comment to the post on democracy is that if the social planner in a democratic set up is working in favour of the public, then why is it that just a fraction of the population end up voting? Does this represent the the breakdown of the democratic set up or a show of loss of faith in the system from the voters?
I agree that the right to vote is one of the principal determinants of a democracy. But lets look at this problem from a different angle. Generally democracies are big countries with large electorates and a significant number of eligible voters. In theory we can definitely think that the effect of one vote will at best be marginal (but i guess we were proved wrong in the US in the election prior to the last, which we can consider as an anomaly for our purpose here). But lets look at the individual voters decision to vote a little more carefully. Lets say that the net benefit for the individual comprises of two parts. One is the direct cost benefit (let C be the cost and B the benefit, then the net benefit will be N=B-C). The other will be the probability of casting the decisive vote for being on the winning side (just going back to my comment on preferences). THe higher the probability of casting the decisive vote, the more would be my inclination to vote. So let me denote that as (Z=p*X where p is the probability of casting the decisive vote and X represents the benefits derived from being on the winning side).
Now let us compare the two parts of the function individually. While N is straightforward since they are strictly observable, we cannot easily measure the impact on Z, because it has a probability measure p which is affected by the number of people who turn out to vote. To be more specific since voter turnout is endogenously determined and hence not observable prior to the decision to vote. The probability of casting the deciding vote will be near zero if everyone in the electorate votes and vice versa and note that the individual will have no way of verifying if the entire electorate will vote or not. Therefore again assuming rationality and the prior belief that p will be close to zero in large electorates, the decision rule that most individual will apply is that if N<0, then they will refrain from voting. Hence the decision to vote is definitely influenced more by the measurable direct costs and benefits of voting as against pitting themselves against uncertainties.
To take this further, suppose we assume that every individual in the electorate ended up thinking in the same line, then virtually nobody will turn out for the vote and hence every vote could be a decider, which will again make every individual think that his/her vote will be the decider, leading to everybody in the electorate voting. However, I will refrain from this line of thinking for the moment. Another line of thought which might do the rounds is using psychological persuasion modes (sense of civic duty etc etc.). I have chosen to ignore this line of thought (will reserve something on this for a later blog).
Hence for the moment let me use the argument of rational behavior and suggest that the voter turnout is lower not because, voters dont believe in the democratic system or that the social planner is not being efficient, but rather given the circumstances, their net benefit from voting is negative.
@ Survivor: One of the key points raised in your comment is there is no "true democracy". That really did set me thinking and I think my response to that would be democracy really means quasi democracy. While i agree to that and I guess i will reserve my comments on a quasi democracy vs. a democracy to another blog, my concern is with the comment on going to war. "invading other countries", that seems to be a little harsh. While again there might be hidden agendas for the social planner, what seems unclear is how to justify or not justify a single action, especially when there are several interlinking events, which may or may not have caused such a reaction (arguably justifying the actions). The direction of causality cannot be established without doubt and hence i would not go to the extreme to saying that this represents a failure in the democratic set up.
Now to your comment on dictatorship being the best at home as long as you rule! (LoL)..
I think this is an interesting area where we can apply Arrows impossibility theorem. Arrows theorem basically says that there is no ideal voting system in the world. Crudely stated every voting system is flawed. Lets think of the set up where decisions have to be made at home. If we assume that there exists a system for rank ordering of preferences for all the people involved in decision making process and that the preference would be for a collective choice rather than individual choice, how best can we arrive at an optimal choice where one ordered preference function is preferred over all others?
When we talk about collective decisions, we can arrive at a rank ordering of the preferences for each decision in several ways (ie. individuals can have difference preference functions). Let us say we have a choice function (c) which represents the best possible rank ordering of preferences. To achieve the optimal choice function C, there are several constraints that need to be satisfied. One such constraint says that there cannot be one participant whose rank order is most preferred over others (in other words dictatorship is not allowed). For Arrow's theorem to hold there are several other constraints too, but for the sake of parsimony, lets assume that all other constraints hold. Given this scenario, Arrow states that an optimal cchoice function can never be picked.
Hence in this set up since survivor ends up being the dictator, it should be a lot easier to make collective decisions as Arrows impossibility theorem holds.
Wednesday, October 18, 2006
A note on Democracy
Posted by Mad Max at 9:59 PM
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@mad-max, that made a very interesting read. lots of information... the only comment that I have is this. I think any system has its cause and effect, and as we all know, the effect feeds back into the cause over time. Though I certainly believe that a lot of constitutions based on democratic ideals were written for the right reasons, it has morphed itself into something, as we see now, which doesnt probably represent things in the same way. My opinion, in terms of who constitue more for the problem, the government OR the people, I think people play a major role than the government because people's interests, in my opinion, inherently causes inefficiency in the system, which feeds onto itself...:)
@ survivor: I think dictatorship within house is good, as long as the dictator is held accountable for all screwups..:)
@mindframe: but a dictator apriori is not responsible for her/his screwups. @survivor: something extra for me this saturday? for this support
I am commenting to say..it will take a while for me to comment for this blog.
@Madmax,
Wow ! Lots of info ..A very good read though.According to my understanding,ideally,it sounds like a cycle where no one votes resulting in every vote being a decider leading to everybody voting.I am assuming this leads to some average. Continuing with Mindframes's thought, the net benefit from voting is the effect and voter turnout could be the cause.Depending on the turnout, your benefit could vary.And so,your negative benefits could feed into the cause and lessen the voter turnout...Am I making sense here?
@Mindframes,
As Mano pointed out, you are missing the whole point of dictatorship. It gives me the right to blame anybody in the household..I RULE :-) And as Madmax said, Arrows theorem also holds and so my choice function is easy.I choose not to take responsibility for my screwups.He he..
@ Mano..
*DrumRoll* One more extra Vadai for Mano this Saturday !:-)Or maybe should I say one more extra bottle of beer :-)
@ Brainwaves
We are waiting
@ Survivor and Mindframes: I guess i need to clarify here. While it is theoretically possible that everybody will abstain from voting or everybody will vote, I believe that a fraction of the population will definitely end up voting. My take from the analysis (again I have assume that everything is a simple linear function of benefits only, which might not be the case), is that all that matters is the direct benefit from voting. Voters really dont care about whether the entire electorate votes or abstains. As long as they perceive a net DIRECT benefit from voting they will go ahead and vote. Hence we will not run into the disequilibrium outcome of either all voting or none voting. Both these disequilibrium outcomes are not possible especially in large samples because the odds of preferences of the population being homogenous is virtually zero.
@ Mindframes: In a dictatorship, the dictator is not accountable for anything right. The moment we bring into focus accountability, it is no longer a dictatorship..
@ Mano: an extra vadai (slurp slurp)....lol
@ Brainwaves: look forward to your comments
I concur with brainwaves- i really need to understand the math better before I comment about the blog itself... nevertheless interesting.
@survivor: i want vadai and beer...
@mindframes: diwali celebrations this time around is going to be beerful errr... cheerful
Vadai & beer??? Mano dude!!! It's as if me's seeing a new side of you...
*yuck* (& that was for the v & b combination)
:)
Finally I managed to finish reading your interesting blog and all the comments.
Without realizing I was reading your blog with "Indian citizen" hat.
In India most of Voting is done by uneducated people.
There are 2 groups,
1) They have specific affiliation towards particular party or candidate and just vote for them.
2) Driven by money and other short term benefits (to vote) they were pulled into voting booth.
First group only have an expectations (percieved benefits, you can call them) and that does not change even if they screw-up multiple times. So, I can state them as dreams :(
So I should change your equation a bit.
group1: N = Pb (Cost is almost nil)
group2: N = Pb + Cx (Cx = payment)
But based on my personal experience, poor and insignificant (not my assessment but more based on their self-esteem and social hierarchy) people get the sense of importance and control on the day of voting and that drives (along with the free auto ride you get from candidate ) them to the voting booth.
Intentionaly left international democracy part in the previous comment.
I see that sense of pride, committment, patriotism, etc. makes Americans to vote.
May be their Individualist streak make them believe that their vote count always.
Based on the minimal statistics I have seen, voting percentage is more in countries with group culture (peer pressure?) and illiteracy.
@ Brainwaves: Nice comment. You have mentioned that voting is done by uneducated people who have either or both of two motivations. This implies that vote seekers can actually manipulate incentives. I will reserve my comments for a separate blog, as I think this can be used as a classic example of agency theory.
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